Tuesday, July 31, 2007

Next Year's Champs

The Angels don’t want to win this year. That is the only explanation for the Angels unwillingness to deal for Mark Teixeira. The holdup in the deal is prized rookie Brandon Wood (right), a can't miss prospect in the mold of Dallas McPherson and the apple of Bill Stoneman's eye.

You remember McPhereson, right? He was the guy the Angels had to rush to the majors, pushing Troy Glaus and a shot at the 2005 World Series out the door. The inability to include Wood in a potential probably cost the Angels the World Series this year.

The common refrain is that trading Casey Kotchman, Joe Saunders and Brandon Wood would create too many holes. Really, where? Teixeira starts at first base. Dustin Mosely takes Saunders spot in the rotation. Then just roll the dice with Nick Adenhart at the final spot of the rotation. He can’t be worse than Ervin Santana. Besides, the playoff rotation is set with John Lackey, Kelvim Escobar and Jered Weaver. The Angels line-up needs some punch, and having a 1b/3b combination with a combined 10 home runs isn't going to get it done.

Instead, the Angels are left adjusting their cups while the rest of the American League gets better. They might as well change the phrase from Standing Pat to Standing Bill. The Angels GM is like that fantasy baseball owner in your league that demands a king's ransom, but it unwilling to part with anything of value.

Oh well, there's always next year.

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank god it's an Angels blog again.

Anonymous said...

I hear that.

Fletch said...

Don't teams generally avoid trading within their own division?

Seitz said...

Dustin Mosely takes Saunders spot in the rotation. Then just roll the dice with Nick Adenhart at the final spot of the rotation.

You're freaking nuts, Adam. You really think a power hitting first baseman, with numbers that aren't particularly eye-popping outside of the best hitters park in the league, makes their offense so good that you're willing to go into August with two starters who have a total of five starts between them the rest of the way? One of whom just got drilled in his last AA start? Who needs a playoff rotation when you're sitting home watching them on TV?

Oh, and after making that trade and failing to make the playoffs this year, they also would have had the pleasure of getting bitchslapped by Kotchman, Saunders, and Wood 20 times per season for the next four or five years.

james said...

Seitz = Stoneman.

Wood had one fluke year in Rancho. If one great Cal League season made you a Major Leaguer, then Adam Riggs would be in the Hall of Fame.

Seitz said...

Yeah, because that entire post was based strictly on Brandon Wood, who happens to be a first round pick, who also happened to rack up over 70 extra base hits as one of the youngest players in AA following that season in Rancho, and is holding his own as one of the youngest players in AAA.

Hell, forget Wood. I wouldn't have dealt Kotchman and Saunders alone for a year and a half of Teixeira, who turned down $18MM/yr from the Rangers because he wants to play on the East Coast. Unless he can pitch, the Angels would not make the playoffs if they made that deal.

james said...

the youngest guy in AAA, he's 22 for crying out loud. Time to take the next step. tons of people cried last year at the thought of santana going to baltimore for tejada. saunders and wood this year. when are these great prospects going to start taking over? morales has blown. kendrick is okay when he doesn't break his hand. kotchman is another fluke injury away from missing a month. the angels will make the playoffs now and get swept by boston. the team will still have great prospects, though.

Seitz said...

Speaking of Tejada, every player in baseball is a fluke injury away from missing a month.

james said...

Who gets a concussion on a pick-off throw?

Seitz said...

Most catchers throw as hard as most pitchers. Get hit with a pickoff throw is no different than getting hit with a fastball.

james said...

mound to plate = 60 feet
home to second = 120 feet

getting hit with a pick-off is a lot different.

james said...

FYI: teixeira has hit 29 hrs on the road, and 17 at home since the beginning of 2006. his average is lower. but the angels need an hr guy.

Seitz said...

getting hit with a pick-off is a lot different.

No, actually, it's not. A ball going 90 is a ball going 90. It also cut him. Are you arguing that he has thinner than average skin as well? I can't even believe I'm arguing this, considering how ridiculous the premise is.

but the angels need an hr guy.

That's great. They also need a pitcher. Giving up something they need, thereby creating a gaping hole in the rotation to add very little value over the course of the last two months is asinine, to say nothing of the next five years, at least four of which will be played without Teixeira on the roster.

NFL Adam said...

I don't want to pile on Seitz, but here is your comment from July 31, 2006 on Ervin Santana:

Good God, he's like 23 years old! He wasn't even supposed to be in the majors this year. He was called up from double A last year, and if injuries hadn't dictated otherwise, he'd probably have about as many major league starts as Joe Saunders, who by the way, completely shut down the A's last night.

Santana can't even get batters out in AAA. He has no trade value and is one of the main causes for the huge hole in the rotation.

I would agree that Teixeira makes the Angels a serious contender. Instead, the Angels will win the West and lose in the playoffs again.

Of course, this whole point would be moot if the team had just frigging kept Glaus.

Seitz said...

Who's gonna pitch, Adam? If you trade Saunders, you've made Moseley (and I'd be ecstatic if he starts the rest of the way and ends up with an ERA under five) your fourth starter. You've basically put pressure on Lackey, Escobar, and Weaver to be perfect every time out, because they're going to lose at least half of the games that Moseley starts, and most of the games that their mythical fifth guy starts.

Adenhart? He's have a solid, but anything but spectacular, year at AA. Santana, by contrast, had an ERA a run lower than Adenhart in AA when he was called up in 2005, and a better strike out rate.

Teixeira makes them better for the post-season. That doesn't do them much good when they're watching those games on TV because they blew apart the starting pitching to get him.

And that's before even thinking about the next five years, four of which will be played without Teixeira.

james said...

there is no pressure on lackey, escobar and weaver now, with two light hitting guys on the corner. you don't want to give away a fifth starter for a bat? you are stoneman.

Seitz said...

First, he's fourth starter, not a fifth starter. They don't even have a fifth starter at this point.

And yes, they're so light hitting that they're fifth in the league in runs scored. They're so bad that every ten games, the vaunted Red Sox and Indians score about one more run than the Angels. And that includes almost an entire month without a home run for the entire team.

So indeed, let's give up a hitter who's not much less productive than Teixeira right now (Kotchman OPS+ 126, Teixeira OPS+ 138), is three years younger, is a hell of a lot cheaper, and will be here more than a year and half. And not only that, let's also throw in their current #4 starter, a guy who would probably be a #3 on most teams. And that's not all! Let's also toss in a top prospect, just for the hell of it!

NFL Adam said...

Why do you hate Vlade?

By the time Wood, Saunders and all of the future “Hall of Famers” are ready to go, Vladimir Guerrero is going to be riding in a wheel chair. Why is it too much to ask to have nine ML guys in the starting lineup? Prospects are for the Devil Rays, Royals and Pirates. And then if Brandon Wood is ever any good, the Angels can just trade some prospects for him and get him back. That’s the way this thing works.

And really, I had no idea Joe Saunders was bearing down on the Cy Young award this year. Good lord, this isn’t Don Drysdale in his prime. The Angels would win the AL West going away with two AA pitchers at the backend of rotation. Hell, that would mean Santana and Colon.

But still. I don’t get the idea of working for the future that will never come. The Angels were looking toward the future in 2005 when they let Troy Glaus go in favor of Dallas McPherson. That move cost them the 2005 World Series.

The team has now given away its chance to win the 2007 World Series. So even if Teixeira gave the Angels “only” two years, it would be better to go after two World Series than to keep building for this mythical future that hasn’t shown itself in three years.

Seitz said...

Why is it too much to ask to have nine ML guys in the starting lineup?

Right, Casey Kotchman is a non-ML guy. He's only hitting .300, playing gold glove defense, etc., and doing it for $350K. And apparently you're in favor of a non-ML pitching staff, so I think you kind of undermine your own argument.

And really, I had no idea Joe Saunders was bearing down on the Cy Young award this year.

Strawman.

But still. I don’t get the idea of working for the future that will never come.

You realize that building for the future and winning now aren't mutually exclusive, right? It's possible to do both.

The Angels would win the AL West going away with two AA pitchers at the backend of rotation.

Wow, that must mean the offense is pretty good. If it's so great that they can win with crappy hitters, why overpay for another bat?

The team has now given away its chance to win the 2007 World Series.

This is just fucking retarded. Do you even watch the playoffs, or hell, even read about them? Did you see who won last year?

That move cost them the 2005 World Series.

This too is fucking retarded.

Again, the offense is fifth in runs scored. Fifth. To my knowledge, they aren't going to enact a rule that says unless the ball goes over the fence, the runs don't count. They just completed a month where they hit like five homers, and they're STILL 5th in runs scored. Plus they'll get Kendrick and Napoli back soon.

Christ, it's not even about building for the future. It's about not overpaying for something just for the sake of overpaying. You don't buy a bottle of water on a hot day for $100 just because you're thirsty and you happen to have it in your wallet. Records aside, Teixeira simply isn't worth what the Rangers were asking.

Seitz said...

Boy, is my face red. You're right, Adam. We should have dealt Saunders (2 ER in 6.2 IP), to upgrade this crappy offense, which has only produced another six runs tonight against the second best pitching staff in the league. How will they ever compete now?

NFL Adam said...

Boston comes to town Monday. We will see where the team stands then. Congrats on the series-open winning. Maybe the Angels can win, what, their second series in the last six? Seven? I get lost around the Tampa Bay series when the team won only one game.

I'm done with this. The Angels will make the playoffs and I'll front $1K for playoff tickets. Then the team will limp out meekly, unable to put together a rally because the team needs eight hits to score two runs.

Seitz said...

Eight hits to score two runs? They must average 20 hits per night, then, since they've averaged over five runs per game for the entire season, which, in case I haven't mentioned it, is fifth best in the American League.